First things first, Zencastr doesn’t make it so easy to recover from a network outage. In this case, while you will hear Dan mentioning that Nancy is offline (though strangely Nancy still hears Dan?), it is actually Dan’s internet connection that dropped for long enough to make a one-sided conversation. While Zencastr (and other, similar services) records locally for just such eventualities, actually recovering everything is a matter of reading their support pages and learning about the… wait for it… /recovery suffix.

It is not without irony that we were touching on Cognitive Load and how having too many things going on can distract and detract, and then this happened, throwing a small wrench into the usual workflow. It’s something to think about, and if you’d like to get the Wikipedia version of what Cognitive Load is, check it out at

We will almost certainly be trying out drop-in chat in some form, starting with Telegram. This is open source software that runs on more than just iPhones, but otherwise it’s a similar idea as is offered by Clubhouse. In fact, everybody is jumping on that bandwagon as far as the service side (Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Telegram, Discord… the list grows).

Check out Telegram if you’d like to join the channel and future discussion! Go to

Listen in for the rest of the always-interesting chat, and remember, we want you to join in!


We’re going to experiment with monetization strategies so that we can do things like use a better cloud creation platform, offset the website hosting and whatnot, and generally continue to pursue the show. Starting out slowly:

Buy Me a Coffee is similar to Patreon but not so, well, Patreon. We each have a BMaC page to cross over our various productions, and you can do with that what you will… this links will take you to the BMaC site:

Buy Nancy a Coffee | Buy Dan a Coffee

And as always drop us emails with questions, comments, complaints, if you’d like to be an actual guest, if you need a kitchen or other space designed, if you need some software designed… we got you!

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